Current sex to attempted rape ratio ~ 1:1 Outlander Readalong Week 3

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July 2, 2012 by Heidi

Outlander ReadalongHi all!  Let me apologize in advance as this is the week where I’m feeling so incredibly down on this book that I considered setting it aside, but for the readalong.  Claire makes me mad, Jamie makes me roll my eyes, and I’m not sure I’m ready to read so much sex.  I know this is innocent/prudish of me, but I’m not entirely comfortable with sexytimes in books.  I’d gotten to the point this year where I can handle a couple throughout the book, but as much as we read this week makes me pretty uncomfortable.  But since I know so many of you are loving this book, and I don’t want to be a killjoy, I’m going to resist pontificating and move on to the questions…

1) We FINALLY get to the scene we’ve all been waiting for. You know what I’m talking about–yay sexytimes! What were your impressions? Was it what you were expecting? Or did you want more? 

Um…as I said, the sexytimes are a bit much for me.  So I’m not going to expound on that. *blushes*

2) I know that some readers thus far have been bothered by the fact of Claire being married to Frank but still being involved with Jamie, despite the different time periods. Does their time as newlyweds change anyone’s opinion of that? If not, now what are you thinking of the situation?  

I actually really appreciated the fact that Claire and Jamie had to marry out of necessity.  This made perfect sense to me, and I am now completely okay with their involvement.  Claire had to marry Jamie, and didn’t really have romantic feelings toward him when this occurred, I like seeing the interest develop into infatuation, and I’m certain down the road love.  This seems real to me,  fitting to the story, and I think it’s fair for Claire to treat Jamie as a second husband in his own right.

3) What did you think about the “waterhorse” that Claire saw? Why do you think Peter was so spooked? And what do you think this means for Claire? 

Actually, my favorite part this week was the story of the waterhorse’s wife’s chimney.  But then I’m not sure what I feel about the actual waterhorse.  Seems almost too cliche and easy when at Loch Ness, but then I suppose you could hardly overlook it, and maybe it’ll come into play in the future.  Giving Peter’s reaction, I’m guessing so.  I’m guessing he thinks Claire has some kind of communion or something ethereal with the creature, and is therefore afraid of her?  Maybe he thinks she’s some kind of fae or something? I’m not sure, but I’m interested to find out.

4) If you were Claire and you were knowingly in the vicinity of the stones, would you have done the same thing she did?  

Probably not.  I’m so mad at Claire right now, I think she’s an idiot.  I don’t think she knew the area or where she was going well enough to make such an attempt, and she certainly didn’t really think through the dangers.  I feel like if she would just talk to Jamie and ask him, he would take her there.  You know, since he’s flawless and all.  I’m never one to say that it’s a girl’s fault if she gets raped, but honestly Claire?  When it happens on a daily basis, you begin to start thinking maybe you could be making some different life choices.  A lot of these times were completely out of her control, and yay for her learning to defend herself, but also walking stupidly into the hands of men you know will do this to you without any forethought doesn’t exactly earn my pity.  I’m really done feeling sorry for Claire.

5) What do you think about Captain Randall? How do you think the family resemblance between him and Frank affects Claire and particularly her relationship with Jamie? 

I think it must be very disconcerting for her, but more than her relationship with Jamie, I think it will affect her relationship with Frank when/if she returns to the present.  I think it’s a convenient dynamic to create negative associations with Frank in her mind so that she can more easily fall for Jamie.

That’s it for me this week!  I’m hoping that I’ll be able to get into it a bit more next week, but we’ll see.  I feel like I’ve already invested so much time, I can’t back out now!  Excited to hear our thoughts, and hope/think most of you are enjoying it more at this point.  Don’t forget to link up at Into the Hall of Books and check out next week’s questions!

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  1. No comment on “that” scene? Get real, Heidi! That is basically the only part of this book that I remember at all, having read it a few years ago. I kept reading the post and was like, “Waterhorse,whaaaa? Frank? Who is that?” :) You did remind me a bit of how much I liked the book, despite itself. I think I might’ve even given it 5/5 stars. I started reading book 2–have you read it?–but I couldn’t handle that they weren’t the same age anymore. (they are like 20 years older or so)

    • Heidi says:

      Lol, sorry for the lack of comment! There were some great parts of the story there, you’re right. I liked that they talked for hours, and were pretty relaxed about the whole thing, able to talk and laugh about it.

      I have not read book 2, this is my first time reading through this one! I honestly don’t see myself reading the rest of the series, but we’ll see, I have a long way to go!

  2. Jac @ For Love and Books says:

    You make a great point about how wonderful their need to marry worked out for the plot. I think the first time I read the books, it made me more “ok” with the whole thing…

    -Jac @ For Love and Books

    • Heidi says:

      Yes! I started assuming she would immediately fall for Jamie and want to marry him out of love, which seemed adulterous to me, but somehow this situation didn’t. Helped my feelings a lot!

  3. bookgoonie says:

    The waterhorse threw me for a loop immediately. I started thinking of The Scorpio Races. Are these the same type? Is the mythology the same? Well this one can’t be mythological it’s here. Then I thought of Loch Ness. Claire would have been familiar with the lore & of course mesmerized by seeing it. With Peter flipping his wig, I think there are more bad times headed Claire’s way.

    • Heidi says:

      I thought of Scorpio Races as well! Those waterhorses were based off Celtic mythology (kelpies I think?), so I suppose they would maybe be alternate versions of the same mythology. Interested to see where it’s going though.

  4. Lauren says:

    Smart comment about Randall affecting Claire’s view of Frank when/if she returns to the present. I didn’t even think of that.

    And the way Claire went about trying to get to the stones was pretty idiotic! I actually have started also wondering if she’ll ever tell Jamie that she is from another time, and how he’ll handle that if she does. These people certainly believed in the supernatural, so why not time travel?

    I don’t think there’s anything weird about being uncomfortable with all the sex in this book. But once it started, I’m not sure it’s going to stop. So I’ll be interested to hear how you handle the rest of the story.

    • Heidi says:

      Haha, thanks Lauren, it certainly will be interesting! And no, I’m certain it won’t stop any time soon. That’s okay though, I just hope she stops almost getting raped at this point.

      I agree, I think that once they trust each other more, he will be willing to believe her, even though I don’t think she should tell anyone else.

  5. When I first read this I was shocked at all the sex. I mean, yes, they need to consummate but DAMN. They keep going at it!

    I do think Claire can be annoyingly disobedient at times. She doesn’t always use common sense when it comes to self-preservation, and for someone as smart as she is it doesn’t always make sense why she makes those choices. So I totally get where you’re coming from!

    • Heidi says:

      Right? I feel like here she just got bullheaded and went off on her own just to BE disobedient. She got all ‘you can’t tell me what to do I do what I want’ without stopping to think that Jamie was really trying to keep her safe and knew what he was doing.

  6. Oh no! I wish I could say that I think it’ll get better for you but I honestly have no idea! :( The sex parts don’t really…stop. Ever. Hahaha, not even in the latest books when Claire and Jamie are in their sixties! So yeah. I mean, good on them, but it’s not really going to help you out.

    I definitely didn’t walk away from this book thinking of Jamie as perfect, but then I guess I never did. And I always liked Claire.

    I AM OF NO HELP TO YOU. Is what I’m saying.

    Best of luck, but I will not judge you if you decide to DNF! It happens to the best of us, and there are too many great books out there to waste your time on something you’re not enjoying.

    • Heidi says:

      Hehe, thanks Catie! I’m going to give it another go this week, as others have assured me that Claire will redeem herself.

      I just feel like it’s obvious that Jamie was written by a woman. I feel like all of the ‘flaws’ I see in him are really backhanded and not that bad at all. Like, oh it sucks that he’s penniless and landless atm, but only because he got all Robin Hood. I just don’t feel like he challenges Claire in any good ways. He’s too good to be true, and as such, I haven’t been able to fall for him.

      Maybe I just read too much YA and am used to the angst? 😛

  7. Gone Pecan says:

    i’m sorry that you’re uncomfortable with the sex scenes. they may seem a bit gratuitious, but believe me, if you read almost any contemporary romance, they’re VERY tame. but i understand where you’re coming from. also, i think this book is basically a romance, so you have to expect a little bit of that, even if it’s “off-camera”. and they’re married now & don’t have a tv, so there’s probably gonna be a lot of it going on.

    i’m very much interested in knowing about the waterhorse and captain randall/frank. both characters seem to be foreshadowing of something and i guess we just have to plug on to see what that is.

    i hope you finish the book. an unfinished book is such a waste. :( ~dixie

    • Heidi says:

      Yeah, I do want to finish it, and plan to keep going at this point. =)

      I just started reading some romance this year, but most of what I’ve read would be more fade to dark kind of chick lit stuff. I don’t think it’s overly graphic or anything, there’s just so much of it!

      • Gone Pecan says:

        You should try Kristan Higgins, she’s one of my go-to authors, she doesn’t spell it out but the romances are great. ~d

        • Heidi says:

          She’s one that’s been recommended to me, but it’s always nice to get another vote! I really want to try her and Jennifer Crusie. I think they may be more my speed. =)

  8. I love you, my prudish friend! Also I don’t really have to comment further because we have the same thoughts on basically everything. Though I love Jamie and had to chuckle at you thinking he is “too” good! It’s a fantasy, lady! I liked the Waterhorse story but was kind of like EH when Nessie came into play. I also really think Claire is an idiot, especially in her meeting with Randall, AND running away in the first place! I was so incredibly annoyed by her. A character of Juliet Marillier, she is NOT.

    • Heidi says:

      Hahaha, love it. So true!! This just makes me want to talk about my love of Sorcha and how incredibly strong she is even though she’s not a physically strong person whatsoever.

  9. I thought the same with Claire having to marry Jamie. I am pretty certain that she would have stayed single if she was given a choice in the matter. Don’t blame you for being mad at Claire all of her decisions do seem to lead to plenty of attempted rapes. But I can’t blame her for wanting to get home. :)

    • Heidi says:

      You’re right, I can’t blame Claire for wanting to go home at all (and I don’t). I just think she could be smarter about it…like just talk to Jamie! She wouldn’t even necessarily need to tell him why she needed to go to the stones, and he’d still take her.

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